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Ski Racing's web site has posted this totally erroneous article on the tracking-RADAR accelerometer I've developed for the Kitzbühel Hahnenkamm-Rennen:

http://www.skiracing.com/index.php?option=com_content&t...iew&id=6042&Itemid=2

What a bunch of goobers. Does Ski Racing EVER get their fact right? Idiots. They really are hopeless.

This new time measurement technology we've debuted at the 2008 Kitzbühel Hahnenkamm-Rennen has nothing to do with "special speed cameras" or with ORF, other than the fact that ORF is showing the speedometer graphic our new technology generates. It's our equipment, our ideas, our software; ORF knows nothing about it other than something new shows up on their picture.

Aaaargh!

For those of you watching tomorrow's DH broadcast on TV in Europe or on WCSN.COM in North America, I've mounted a custom-made, remote-controlled RADAR head with custom tracking firmware just above the racer's head in The Starthaus. It's interfaced via software to my DTK timing software, so when the racer launches, the RADAR tracks the racer down toward the Mousefalle and calculates an acceleration curve. The data goes to a CG in real time, generating a speedometer graphic and a display of each racer's 0-60 KmH time.

We tested it (in secret) at womens World Cup in Lake Louise in November and it worked pretty well, although it was somewhat unexciting to watch because the bad-weather start used for the chicks at LL was very flat and therefore slow. But we could see the data was solid, and that the idea works. We used it successfully during the two DH training runs here at Kitzbühel, although, again, due to a speed-control gate set in between the Startschuss and the Mousefalle, it's not as exciting as it could have been. We were hoping for a 0-100 KmH time for each racer, but the racers are scraping off speed to make the one gate, so most of them are only reaching about 70 KmH before they pass out of the RADAR's cone and disappear down the Mousefalle. Hermann Stanger, Chief of Technik for the KSC, decided after TR1 we should calculate 0-60 rather than 0-70 or some other target speed, and he's the boss, so if I can make this bee-yotch work tomorrow, a speedometer with a continuously updating needle, as well as a time from 0-60 KmH for each racer, is what you'll see on the air.

We have another remote-control tracking RADAR about 7-10 seconds before the finish, which tracks each racer's acceleration as he drops down the elevator shaft known as The Zielschuss (just below the Red Bull Arch at the Hausbergkante). We used it today for the Super-G and it worked accurately, but again, it was somewhat unexciting because a speed control gate at the bottom of The Zielschuss caused the racers to scrape off speed, and they really didn't accelerate much between the Hausberg traverse and the Zielsprung (the range of the RADAR's cone). In DH training the racers were accelerating from about 120 KmH to around 140 KmH while in the RADAR's tracking cone, which looked very trick on TV.

This is something we also tested in secret during FIS World Cup in Lake Louise both in 2006 and 2007.

One thing we have established through testing and regression analysis is that the RADAR data is spot-on. It's a very new technology we're still developing, so I can't promise it'll work perfectly tomorrow. If it works, I can't promise it'll blow your socks off. But the Broder's Skunkware / Precision Timing team is working hard with the Kitzbüheler Ski Club to introduce some interesting new technological doo-dads to ski sport. Working with the Austrian Ski Team and the KSC as clients is a blast because they are SO into ski-sport. As an American, it's frustrating to see ski racing ranked below bowling and poker in interest amongst my countrymen.
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Talk about your best-laid plans.

The good news is both of our RADARs worked perfectly for the Hahnenkamm DH today. The bad news is 20 minutes before first forerunner, Günther Hujara decided the top was too windy, and he ordered the start moved down to the Mausefalle. The alternate start was very flat, the accelerometer therefore wasn't very exciting, so we pulled it from the broadcast. The Zielschuss RADAR made air for pretty much every competitor.

Ultimately, the whole thing became trivial after watching Scott Macartney's horrifying crash on the Zielsprung from 60 feet away in our Zielhaus, and then watching the kid go into convulsions right out on the snow in front of us and 60,000 spectators. We were all so saddened and sickened and shocked. The rest of the race is a blur. Instead of celebrating afterward, we all just quietly set up for tomorrow's slalom, then shuffled back to our villa in silence.

Interestingly, the speed data from our Zielschuss RADAR showed Macartney was clearly the fastest racer through that bottom section, almost 2 full KmH faster than the next-fastest (Bode). Nobody else was even close. I wonder if the extra-fast line Macartney carried through the Zielschuss into the Zielkompression and subsequently the Zielsprung contributed to his bobble.

Top 10 Peak RADAR Tracking Speeds at the Zielschuss
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141.2 Bib->2 (MACARTNEY)
139.3 Bib->16 (MILLER, Race Rank =2)
139.2 Bib->38 (ZRNCIC-DIM, Race Rank = 18)
139.2 Bib->19 (CUCHE, Race Rank =1)
137.2 Bib->7 (HEEL, Race Rank = 12)
137.2 Bib->4 (SCHEIBER, Race Rank = 2)
137.0 Bib->40 (HOFER, Race Rank=23)
137.0 Bib->35 (POISSON, Race Rank =22)
136.7 Bib->20 (WALCHHOFER, Race Rank=4)
136.7 Bib->15 (SULLIVAN, Race Rank = 6)
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There are a lot of video snippets of the crash on YouTube, like this one:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=bfFzesHZCr0

and this one, which ironically and erroneously is entitled "Macartney Dies in Horrible Ski Accident in Kitzbühel".

http://youtube.com/watch?v=UNx2kMVgEdc

I'm told Macartney will be fine, and in fact his first question after regaining consciousness was "did I hurt my knees"? A true racer.

The coolest thing about all these video snippets is you can clearly see the speedometer graphic generated by our tracking RADAR changing in real time and clicking to just > 140 KmH as Macartney exits the Zielschuss into the Zielsprung. Several of the German-speaking papers published screenshots of the RADAR speedometer captured off of ÖRF, and speculated that Macartney's fast split at the Hausbergkante (I5) combined with his superior speed through the Zielsprung might have won him the race had he not crashed.

Our tracking RADAR was declared a "fantastic timing and speed measurement innovation for ski racing and for the Hahnenkamm-Rennen" by no less than Michael Huber, Executive Director of the Kitzbüheler Ski Club and son of legendary 1950 Hahnenkamm champion Fritz Huber, Jr. Michael joined our timing team for dinner after Sunday's slalom, and we discussed more timing & speed measurement innovations for the 2009 Hahnenkamm & beyond.
Even if no less than Michael Huber declared " Rolex' tracking radar a fantastic timing and speed measurement innovation for ski racing and for the Hahnenkamm-Rennen", many TV spectators found Sunday's Combined TV Graphics missing important informations ... with the racer crossing the slalom finish line without any Combined Rank popping up.

Many WC event organizers found this lack of information as an important step back introduced by Rolex to Alpine Skiing WC.
Andreas Osterberg (Chief of operations for Åre 2007 World Championships and Åre World Cup as well) found the 2008 Hahnenkamm Combined TV show a true innovation, thanks to the total lack of real-time information (no Combined-rank of the racers crossing the slalom finish line).
Even Vegard Andersen (IT Manager for Kvitfjell and Hafjell WC events) told me that Rolex made a huge step back:
mentioning not only the missing Combined-rank information (like in the 70s)
but also regarding the old-fashion TvGraphics re-introduced by Rolex in Kitz...when most WC races are using the new FIS official layout for their captions.
Wow, TWO! I don't know that two qualifies as "many", but it's always interesting to hear differing opinions, especially from a first-time poster on the forum.

Those who don't get out much may not realize that all of the Austrian WC events (except Kitzbühel), as well as the Canadian WC events, stopped using the FIS TV graphic "look" in 2004. Kitzbühel dissed the FIS graphics starting in the 2006-2007 season. For 2007-2008, Slovenia joined the club as well, so the list of those events choosing not to use FIS graphics continues to grow. Perhaps you just happened to miss Lake Louise, Reiteralm, Sölden, Panorama, Bad Kleinkircheim, Meribor, Schladming, Kranjska Gora, Zauchansee, Kitzbühel, St Anton, Lienz, Flachau, and Semmering for the past few years.

Some say this is because FIS does not deliver several parts of their contractual commitment to those events, hence the organizers feel free to use whatever graphics they please. Others say it is because the purple- and maize-colored FIS graphics are so ugly that any organizers with any sense use something different. Or perhaps it's a combination of both?
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Wow, 2 is always better than 1 (your son of legendary 1950 Hahnenkamm champion Fritz Huber)

By the way, thanks for your resort's list that we could include in a short list of nations:
Canada
Austria
Slovenia


Anyway, if after Kitz-Sunday's slalom, someone discussed more timing & speed measurement innovations for the 2009 Hahnenkamm & beyond, I'd rather imagine that discussing at dinner-time these kind of innovations could lead back to the sixties:
Old Style TvGraphics for SkiLegend races ;-)

Maybe Rolex is just not able to provide real-time combined-rank graphics as soon as the racer crosses the finish line.
Maybe Austrians do prefer to check and modify manually ranking & racetimes like a few years ago in Schladming.
You just got to love the Skunk for saying whatever the rest of us were thinking. It kills me that those not close the customer keep telling us what the rest of the world wants.

I got the glorius duty of installing the radar and the batteries daily. The trip into the tower that we had it mounted was about a 40 minute road trip that included crampons, ropes and mud.

Pictures of most of our event are at http://www.portcredit.net/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=28.

If you get to see one WC DH race in your life, you have to see this one.

Mike Walker

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