haha yeah. I'm using 8.22. Thanks for the help though. Works perfectly. My last problem with updating to 8.22 and a new windows 7 laptop is that my start sensor is no longer starting a race. The radiolynx start sensor will work on my previous set up with xp. I've looked through settings, tried open, closed, none, re-installed. I'm stumped! works with an older version on Finishlynx though. Any thoughts?